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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 21, 2005 11:21pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Good morning Grendel, and may the force be with you in your quest for the ultimate Scarlet>Fire! Other than getting the words right, which is nice but not essential for me (are you an English major?LOL) you'll want to get a Scarlet where they really find that certain groove, not too fast. And a Fire where they do more than just play the chords and go thru the motions but really explore the jam possibilities.
Though I prefer the 1977 versions, the 80's versions have their high points - Brent's organ counterpoint which adds a reggae feel, the extra verse you mention, and of course no Donna. May I suggest 9/11/82 where they kick off Set Two with it. Or the great version from 12/31/80, or even 10/14/80 at the Warfield.
My favs are the 1977's though, and you haven't heard them all till you've cranked it up with -
5/4/77
5/25/77 - the legendary Mosque show.
10/2/77 and
10/16/77 - Bobby's Bday show. S>F kicks off an
amazing Dream Set Two that leaves you stunned and without a face!
happy hunting,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 22, 2005 12:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Thanks, Dr. F...and yes, guilty as charged, I WAS an English major and maybe that explains my rather anal retentive (that's a nice way of putting it) focus on getting the lyrics right. But I do think it's important if only b/c the lyrics (especially Hunter's) are really underrated and part of what makes the Dead's music so wonderful.

Thanks very much for the suggestions!
GC

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 22, 2005 12:19am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

I knew it!! Well as an English major, what do you think of the song "Days Between" featured on the So Many Roads box set? As far as Hunter's lyrics go, I think it's one of his finest, and it's a shame he didn't write it ten years earlier so we'd have more version of it. It stands alone as poetry.
The lyrics get this ol' hippie choked up every time.
Dr. Flashback

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 22, 2005 12:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Funny you mention "Days Between."

I too think the lyrics are brilliant, BUT I don't care for the tune! It just strikes me as clunky and slow, and not very conducive to what at the time wass Jerry's fading and creaky voice. I have to admit, i'm highly critical of most of the band's output from "Built to Last"--one of the cheesiest and simply most ridiculous albums ever made, IMHO-- to the end...which is probably sour grapes on my part b/c I was also just so ticked off that the whole "scene" had gotten so out of hand and likely hastened Jerry's exit from this mortal coil.

Damn, I miss that guy!

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Aug 22, 2005 1:05am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Quit diverting the thread Dr.!! This is about Scarlet>Fire NOT English class, yech! ; )
I've always been partial to the 12/31/78 version. Perhaps overlooked as the show itself isn't as great as the occasion demanded, but the S>F has the slow shuffly pace I like and Jerry's initial introduction of the Fire theme, complete with a dissonant note and re-start never fails to bring a smile. The aforementioned 10/16/77 show also has a similar 'feel' about it.Heck just download them all and decide fer yersef.(mangled English for Grendels benefit.)

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Poster: GMW Date: Aug 22, 2005 3:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Also a major Scarlet-Fire lover. I feel it is the band's defining song(s). Love many versions already mentioned.
One not mentioned that is truly outstanding, as there are many separate jam vignettes throughout is: New Haven,CT - 4-23-83.
Archive doesn't have the show though, and I would love to upgrade my copy, if I could find one.

Enjoy them all...

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Poster: Terp97 Date: Aug 22, 2005 4:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead: In Search of: Scarlet>Fire

Check out DP18 from 2/78. its got a great version with a solid transition from S->F. I play percussion and have jammed along to this version many many times...